Weighed the machine today (using the old bathroom scale under each wheel method), and came up with around 470 lbs, with no gas but oil in the engine, trans and rear. Subtracting oil and the tool kit, dry weight would be around 460 lbs, a whopping 50lbs less than the 511 lbs dry weight per the manual. The factory owners and shop manuals say 232 kg (511 lbs). Many sources on the internet say 224 kg (494 lbs), so not sure which is correct, as the internet is never wrong.
Sunday, October 28, 2012
Guzzi paint mock-ups
Took some cans of rattle ball and painted the fender and tank black, and the knee cutouts red on one side and white on the other. Added some pinstripes and decals on Paint.net and came up with these. Leaning towards the black and red one.
or maybe the black and white one...
Saturday, October 20, 2012
Aiight then, this is all about my Hi Cam Guzzi Cafe racer build. I’ve been too busy building this thing all summer to blog about it, plus this is my first blog anyway, so this initial dump is everything since I got the bike nearly a year ago.
Basically, I’ve been riding a 1973 Moto Guzzi Eldorado for 15 years or so, incessantly tweaking it, adding the one liter jugs, a B-10 cam, headwork, 40mm pumper Dellorto carbs, RAM low inertia clutch, and tuned the thing to perfection using a wide band oxygen sensor and palm pilot bungeed to the speedometer to acquire and display data. Took me most a of a summer, but after rejetting the carbs multiple times, the old Eldo runs just about as smoothly and fast as any old Guzzi out there. The WBO2 sensor and data module was from www.zeitronix.com/. Not to get off topic, but this technology is the best thing to happen to carburetted engine tuning since the "Used Plugs Tell a Story" poster, and we all know how helpful that was. The wideband oxygen sensor is simply invaluable, no more guesswork as to what's lean and what's rich, at every step of the way from idle to FWOT.
Anyhoo, I love that bike like a brother, but was hankering for more performance, plus needed something to tweak on. New bikes (anything made after 1985, and resembling a letter opener) don't appeal to me. I love vintage bikes, and café racers, and have been following the café racer, shed builder / garage/builder movement, and thought I would give it a bash. My concept was to take a modern Guzzi and turn it into a retro café racer. The donor was going to be a Sport 1100 or Centauro, preferably a Centauro, with the 4 valve high cam engine. This bike is nearly identical to the mythical Daytona, Guzzi’s first 4 valve model, very cool looking, rare, and expensive if you can find one.
The Centauros have almost identical engine and running gear, but with lots of swooping plastic all over. Perfect choice for a café racer, but also hard to find. I searched locally for months, finally put a WTB ad on Craigslist, and got a response. The owner was a well known and respected local bike guy, had a barn full of bikes, but really liked this one, even sold it once and then re-bought it. He made me promise the bike was going to a good home. Technically, that was true, but I didn’t have the heart to tell him I was going to strip it down to the bones and Frankenstein it.
The first day I had it I started unbolting the fairing, chin spoiler, rear cowling, anything that world come off and the bike still function. Replaced the air boxes, which could double as the HVAC system for a small building, with K&N pod filters, and made some other recommended mods (replacing the ceramic temp sensor with a brass one, installing a transil diode to protect the ECU, replacing all the relays which were prone to failure).
Rode it around like this for a while, just to get the feel of the bike. It's very fast compared to the Eldo, lighter, and excellent braking (compared to drums). It came with the adjustable swan neck clip ons, which are awesome.
So, I started assembling parts. I knew I wanted a bullet nacelle headlight, and found a 6” bucket on Fleabay, new old stock, off a Guzzi Stornello. Mounted it using a pair of pliers welded to a wrench.
The best part of this seat is that the stock Centauro tail light, turned upside down, is a near perfect fit under the rear part, the bum stop. I had to put the seat under a heat lamp and bend it a bit, but the effect is awesome - totally tucked away under there like it was meant to be.
Future winter projects are to make a new exhaust crossover that will allow horizontal placement of the exhaust cans – I think they will fit in front of the rear wheel. That might help with the looks, provided I can get the same or more ground clearance. Also wondering about the carbon fiber - not very retro. Options are limited - stainless would be heavier, so maybe I could find some aluminum tubing. If I had a few thousand bucks kicking around, spoke wheels would be nice, but that’s a bit out there. Also ruminating about switching to carbs, like some flat slide Mikunis. That would be an effort, plus require a new ignition system With the wide band oxygen sensor, I’m pretty sure I could get the same performance as the fuel injection, at least within a narrow range of conditions like during the summer around here which is where I will be riding this. Anyway, now I need to ride the thing, see what else need tweaking.
short videos
Basically, I’ve been riding a 1973 Moto Guzzi Eldorado for 15 years or so, incessantly tweaking it, adding the one liter jugs, a B-10 cam, headwork, 40mm pumper Dellorto carbs, RAM low inertia clutch, and tuned the thing to perfection using a wide band oxygen sensor and palm pilot bungeed to the speedometer to acquire and display data. Took me most a of a summer, but after rejetting the carbs multiple times, the old Eldo runs just about as smoothly and fast as any old Guzzi out there. The WBO2 sensor and data module was from www.zeitronix.com/. Not to get off topic, but this technology is the best thing to happen to carburetted engine tuning since the "Used Plugs Tell a Story" poster, and we all know how helpful that was. The wideband oxygen sensor is simply invaluable, no more guesswork as to what's lean and what's rich, at every step of the way from idle to FWOT.
Anyhoo, I love that bike like a brother, but was hankering for more performance, plus needed something to tweak on. New bikes (anything made after 1985, and resembling a letter opener) don't appeal to me. I love vintage bikes, and café racers, and have been following the café racer, shed builder / garage/builder movement, and thought I would give it a bash. My concept was to take a modern Guzzi and turn it into a retro café racer. The donor was going to be a Sport 1100 or Centauro, preferably a Centauro, with the 4 valve high cam engine. This bike is nearly identical to the mythical Daytona, Guzzi’s first 4 valve model, very cool looking, rare, and expensive if you can find one.
The Centauros have almost identical engine and running gear, but with lots of swooping plastic all over. Perfect choice for a café racer, but also hard to find. I searched locally for months, finally put a WTB ad on Craigslist, and got a response. The owner was a well known and respected local bike guy, had a barn full of bikes, but really liked this one, even sold it once and then re-bought it. He made me promise the bike was going to a good home. Technically, that was true, but I didn’t have the heart to tell him I was going to strip it down to the bones and Frankenstein it.
Rode it around like this for a while, just to get the feel of the bike. It's very fast compared to the Eldo, lighter, and excellent braking (compared to drums). It came with the adjustable swan neck clip ons, which are awesome.
So, I started assembling parts. I knew I wanted a bullet nacelle headlight, and found a 6” bucket on Fleabay, new old stock, off a Guzzi Stornello. Mounted it using a pair of pliers welded to a wrench.
Found a front fender off a Honda 650, and sawed of the rear part. I love the way this looks, all swept back n’ shit.
Making the mounts was a trick, because the bike has upside down forks, so the fender has to mount to the lowers, not the uppers like most bikes. Finally arrived at the least obtrusive solution by replacing 2 of the Brembo brake bolts with longer ones and making these mounts.
The rear subframe was made out of band iron and steel tubing, relocating all the electronics, ECU, relays and fuse block. This took quite a bit of trial and error, tack welding and grinding. I really wanted the subframe, tank, fender, and exhaust to all be parallel to the ground, with no upswept angles, but couldn’t pull it off on the subframe without compromising rear suspension travel (rear tire would have been too close to the subframe) or seat height (too high) and exhaust (would be too close to the ground). I did manage to get the rear stays the same angle as the forks with the help of a surveyor's clinometer (see pics at end).
The pipes are from DanMoto, inChina , via eBay. Very cheap, but appear serviceable. I try to avoid this type of product, but couldn’t pass up the price, half that of other exhausts. The metal and carbon tubing is very thin, the welds tiny. They are light. I just hope the 12 year old girl who made them did so at the beginning of her 14 hour shift, not the end.
The tank is off a 80’s Suzuki GS 1000. I chopped off the front mounts, made and welded in new ones to get the position right, and shimmed out the stock rubber donuts on the frame.
I cut out the side panels and welded in sheet metal for the knee cutouts. I considered the hammering method, but don’t like the way those look. This took dozens of hours, tig welding at 20 amps, barely enough to trip the sensor on the welding helmet, but plenty to burn through occasionally. Also spent nearly a day pressure testing and fixing pinholes. The tank (another eBay gem) was very rusty, even came to me with a locked cap and no key. Had it boiled out and coated at a local radiator shop.
The seat is fromDime City http://www.dimecitycycles.com They have a very cool, well organized, and entertaining website, and lots of nice bits. The seat was light as a feather and was very cheap. That’s the good news. It's a little asymmetrical, probably a very hasty job making the pan, so it took quite a bit of jiggering to get it on straight. The stuffing is urethane foam, I’m guessing out of a can, the kind you get at the hardware store. Its hard as a rock. If it becomes too uncomfortable or breaks down over time, I can always get it restuffed at Richs or an upholstery place, or put in the layered closed cell foam myself. I made front mounting prongs, a rear releasable latch using the stock release mechanism, and four adjustable T shaped seat supports (threaded into nuts welded onto the subframe).
Making the mounts was a trick, because the bike has upside down forks, so the fender has to mount to the lowers, not the uppers like most bikes. Finally arrived at the least obtrusive solution by replacing 2 of the Brembo brake bolts with longer ones and making these mounts.
The rear subframe was made out of band iron and steel tubing, relocating all the electronics, ECU, relays and fuse block. This took quite a bit of trial and error, tack welding and grinding. I really wanted the subframe, tank, fender, and exhaust to all be parallel to the ground, with no upswept angles, but couldn’t pull it off on the subframe without compromising rear suspension travel (rear tire would have been too close to the subframe) or seat height (too high) and exhaust (would be too close to the ground). I did manage to get the rear stays the same angle as the forks with the help of a surveyor's clinometer (see pics at end).
The pipes are from DanMoto, in
The tank is off a 80’s Suzuki GS 1000. I chopped off the front mounts, made and welded in new ones to get the position right, and shimmed out the stock rubber donuts on the frame.
I welded NPT bungs on both sides, 3/8" on the left (to the fuel pump) and 1/4" on the right (to the pressure regulator). Adapting the stock, tank-mounted pressure regulator and "electric cock" as the Guzzi manual calls it (insert your own rude double entendre here) took some kerfuffling, too. Both needed adapters from the very obscure stock M16x1 (an almost unobtanium thread size) double-ended, left and right handed threaded adapters to good old NPT. For the regulator, I found a stainless adapter (metric to NPT) from some HVAC place on the web after an exhaustive search, and remotely mounted the whole unit behind the air filter pod. For the petcock, I made an adapter by tig welding a spare M16x1 fitting off a Guzzi petcock secured on eBay (AFTER I sprung $80 on the stainless adapters) to some 1/4" NPT, and mounted it on the tank. Much shorter and pleasing than the store bought'n adapter.
I cut out the side panels and welded in sheet metal for the knee cutouts. I considered the hammering method, but don’t like the way those look. This took dozens of hours, tig welding at 20 amps, barely enough to trip the sensor on the welding helmet, but plenty to burn through occasionally. Also spent nearly a day pressure testing and fixing pinholes. The tank (another eBay gem) was very rusty, even came to me with a locked cap and no key. Had it boiled out and coated at a local radiator shop.
Here's some fun at the bike junkyard before finding the right tank.
The seat is from
The best part of this seat is that the stock Centauro tail light, turned upside down, is a near perfect fit under the rear part, the bum stop. I had to put the seat under a heat lamp and bend it a bit, but the effect is awesome - totally tucked away under there like it was meant to be.
Note the little curved gusset welded on to the back of the tank to fit around the seat - a nice touch I thought, albeit messed up by all the guts, battery and wiring visible underneath.
Turn signals are the old bar end kind, from Emgo. Kind of vintage looking, so on they went. Had to cut them down a bit to make the hollow (for the wire to go through) mounting bolt reach through the rear subframe and headlight up front.
The instrument is an Acewell computer, with speedo, tach, clock, and all kind of indicator lights and modes, in a 2.5” diameter gauge. It even has a fuel level gauge, which connects to an Acewell sender I welded on the Suzuki sender mounting plate.
The instrument is an Acewell computer, with speedo, tach, clock, and all kind of indicator lights and modes, in a 2.5” diameter gauge. It even has a fuel level gauge, which connects to an Acewell sender I welded on the Suzuki sender mounting plate.
I've never had or ridden a bike with an actual fuel level gauge - I'm going to miss unscrewing the tank bung every few miles and peering in there to see what's left. I never really took to the whole concept of “reserve” on the petcock, which is basically a system that lets you know when to find a gas station by stalling out the engine right as you try to merge into freeway traffic.
The battery went under the tank, although sadly is somewhat visible once all the bits fell into place. I couldn’t figure out where else to put it. Here's the battery box (upside down).
Also under the tank is the compressor for the Nautilus air horns. I sawed of the horn part and affixed it to the front of the bike. I have had Fiamm or Nautilus (after they came out) air horns on every bike I’ve owned for years; these are invaluable and have saved my life more than once. Here's the trumpets on the Eldo, affectionately known as the "death ray" for their ability to burst the eardrums of anyone in their path.
Went a little subtler with the Hi Cam, barely visible over the fuel pump.
So, here it is, flat black and ready for paint. Still deciding on colors, but leaning toward black and red, maybe black and off white, a vintage look. Overall, I like how it came out, but it only looks vintage on the top, with sport bike looks on the bottom – kind of a mullet bike. The lines aren't as clean as I'd hoped, especially the tank to seat transition - I couldn't figure out which lines to carry back. There are no straight lines on the seat, and the subframe was problematic due to rear wheel clearance and seat height. Also I had a hard time hiding all the wiring, hoses, and intestinals, but that gives it kind of a machine-y Borg look.
Future winter projects are to make a new exhaust crossover that will allow horizontal placement of the exhaust cans – I think they will fit in front of the rear wheel. That might help with the looks, provided I can get the same or more ground clearance. Also wondering about the carbon fiber - not very retro. Options are limited - stainless would be heavier, so maybe I could find some aluminum tubing. If I had a few thousand bucks kicking around, spoke wheels would be nice, but that’s a bit out there. Also ruminating about switching to carbs, like some flat slide Mikunis. That would be an effort, plus require a new ignition system With the wide band oxygen sensor, I’m pretty sure I could get the same performance as the fuel injection, at least within a narrow range of conditions like during the summer around here which is where I will be riding this. Anyway, now I need to ride the thing, see what else need tweaking.
short videos
before paint
and after
Nice writeup at the Bike Shed here
More photos here
Note to purists and those from the SPCM (society for prevention of cruelty to motorcycles) there was no cutting or grinding on any stock part of the bike – all the stock bits are safely put away in boxes, swaddled in old underwear, in case someone ever wants to restore this to its stock condition.
and after
Nice writeup at the Bike Shed here
More photos here
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